[kohanmike]

I see that an individual setlist has a sort choice of Manual. I would like to see that for the main Setlists view.

[Geoff Bacon]

I have a 200 odd setlists and don't think manual sorting is necessary. In fact, for that many lists, it would be horrific.

Why do I have so many lists ? - I lead a group so, as well as refering to for gigs, I can use list from a year ago as the basis for a practice list (much easier than trying to choose from 24 songs from scratch)

What I do (apologies to those whose seen it before) is use a standard ascending sort.
The format for each setlist name is "<group><venu><yyyy-mm-dd>" e.g. "MUJ St Mary's Church 2024-09-19"
This means that all the "MUJ" group's list will be sorted adjacent to each other and, within those lists, the "St Mary's Church" lists will be adjacent (all in date ascending order).

This naming convention make it easy to see what was last played at a gig and one can use the letter keys to traverse the display.
Note: One can omit the <group> if there is only one.

For new gigs, I prefix the name with 3 or 4 space characters (although 1 is enough).
This causes the setlist to be displayed in the # category near to the top of the page.
After the gig, I use the "three dots/Rename" option (top right of screen) to remove these leading spaces; this removes the list from the # group and "empties" it ready for a future gigs.

Using the # group like this makes it super easy to locate a future set as there are only going to be a small number.

Hope this helps
Geoff

[Geoff Bacon]

duplicate post

[kohanmike]

I wasn't asking for only Manully, I would like that as an additional choice. You don't have to use Manual, use what ever choice you currently use. I can make use of Manually.

[Zubersoft]

The only tricky part about supporting manual sorting with the Setlists tab (or any other tab) is then I need UI changes to support reordering the elements. Drag & drop is not configured for the top level list, and there isn't a UI element to start making elements draggable (as it will be necessary to trigger something to start the reorder). While this sounds trivial/simple to add, it's unfortunately not. Having said that, it's on my list for something to slip into a smaller update when I can. Some other apps support manual sorting for setlists, so I want to support it as well.

Mike

[itsme]

@kohanmike: 
just for curiosity - what's your scenario where it makes sense to have manual sorting of setlists?

[ghmerrill]

I endorse this request, and in fact came across this thread in searching how to accomplish what the OP is requesting.

My own "scenario" is that while I have a number of setlists, I'm typically working with only one at a time (or perhaps only a few), and I would find it much more convenient to be able to just have that (or them) at the top of the list.  I can see that as the number of my setlists grows, this will become even more of a convenience for me, and many of the lists will achieve a kind of "archived" status, but in which I might want to make use of them from time to time in one way or another.  And moreover, I would find value in being able to create lists (or even collections) of setlists.  But I won't go down that hole at the moment.

There's more than one way of approaching a good UI for this, but I won't go into the alternatives here.  I understand the implementation burden of providing such features, and I understand that some people may not be interested in using them.  But it's quite a reasonable request.  And yes, I can see ways (via the adoption of conventions for how you name your setlists) to provide a "workaround" for this (and I may adopt that myself), but that's a needlessly inelegant and clumsy approach where an elegant and easily used one could be provided -- at least in my view.

[Geoff Bacon]

@ghmerrill

The method I mentioned keeps current lists at the top of the page for easy access - you just rename them so that they have one or more spaces at the start of their names. When you want to "archive" them, you just remove these leading space(s)

Geoff

[ghmerrill]

Yes ... that's one approach to that sort of workaround.  And it may not be too burdensome for some people's needs.  You can even create your own sublists with that kind of approach (using numeric prefixes such as "1. ", "2. ", etc. to induce order in your list of lists (in terms of appearance) creating sub-lists, sub-sublists, etc. -- and thence in fact a tree structure of lists.

But it remains an individual user-maintained mechanical workaround in place of genuine list management built into the list structure.

[kohanmike]

I haven't been receiving notices of replies. As @ghmerril said, I'd like to keep my current setlist near the top, but since it's not that easy for Mike to make it happen, I'll have to do the renaming of the setlists.