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Annotation rework
#11
(08-21-2019, 11:30 AM)Zubersoft Wrote: There is no separate editor in the new design so whatever display mode you are using is what you will be annotating on. That's why the transition between viewing and annotating will be faster after the rework. 

Mike

Yes I am very happy with this, but then if I need to zoom in before writing something in a small place, could there be a quick way to toggle view modes by pedaling or with a single button before turning the view back to two-page?
A multi-finger assigned tap could do the same task if possible in the choices of actions?
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#12
I can look into that if it's necessary. Is there a reason you couldn't just zoom in with whatever display mode is active though? Is there a reason you would need to switch modes?

Thanks,
Mike
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#13
(08-22-2019, 03:28 PM)Zubersoft Wrote: I can look into that if it's necessary. Is there a reason you couldn't just zoom in with whatever display mode is active though? Is there a reason you would need to switch modes?

Thanks,
Mike

Yes there is a reason, I will explain this very common situation:
1. When i read and play: "normal" full dual page view
2. When we stop playing to write annotations:
a) i need to enter edit mode (either by triple tapping the concerned page when it works, but there is often a 2-3 seconds delay, or single tapping the screen to show overlay mode THEN choose annotation mode witch is a safer way, advance to the next page when it is the right side one)
b) pinch zooming and grabbing in the music to the desired spot
c) select desired tool and write it (often with pen, marker or stamp, select and eraser tools when needed)
d) save to exit and return to normal view, change page when needed to repeat or go to other pages to copy annotations)

Alternate trick: when i know we are going to stop often in the same music spot, i can change normal view mode to full widht screen half pages to avoid the zooming/grabbing procedure and just enter/exit annotation mode after editing the music, but the line size needs to be pumped up about +2 points to match full page mode. The problem with this trick is if the conductor decides to go on reading further because my half pages turning points are not set yet, so i need to switch viewing mode again while playing!

I could setup a second BT pedal if i could program some of those mode switching, tool selectig or even save/exit actions to foot control and free up/reduce finger interraction for writing exclusively.
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#14
There won't be an edit mode anymore (meaning there won't be a separate editor screen). It's not going to change display modes on you when you go to make annotations. It's just going to let you annotate directly on the pages you are viewing. You will be able to zoom in to either one of the pages in two page mode, annotate, zoom back out and then continue. 

Mike
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#15
(08-23-2019, 10:04 AM)Zubersoft Wrote: There won't be an edit mode anymore (meaning there won't be a separate editor screen). It's not going to change display modes on you when you go to make annotations. It's just going to let you annotate directly on the pages you are viewing. You will be able to zoom in to either one of the pages in two page mode, annotate, zoom back out and then continue. 

Mike

This is going to help a lot, but how is the zooming going to work in dual page view, is the zoomed portion will still be in that previous part of the screen, leaving the other page normal? I was hoping in a way to use a pedal or touch action to switch back and forth between single half-page (full screen widht for annotations) to dual page (full size viewing) if possible, that would allow to write directly in the music without having to zoom, and go back to reading mode while saving on the way out!
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#16
You can test zooming with the two page view right to see how it works. It would work exactly like it does now. If that's going to be a problem and you want to change display modes, we can talk about how to handle this, but the problem is that if you are triggering the display mode to change with a pedal, it would switch to showing you just the left page, which would slow you down if you wanted to annotate the right page. Additionally, it would have to re-render all of the pages in the entire document, causing the page to go black, and then load (if you switch display modes right now, you'll see what I mean). I don't think it would be all that nice in regular use, especially if you are trying to quickly annotate. I think a better option would be an option to zoom a page to 150 or 200% with a single gesture so that you could just perform this gesture on the area you want to annotate, it would be blown up, then you could perform either that same gesture or a different one to zoom back to normal. I don't know what that gesture should be though to ensure it doesn't conflict with any other standard gestures. I'm open to ideas.

Thanks,
Mike
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#17
Zooming in the dual-page view is how i work now, so i know how it behaves, but i often have problem with the 3 fingers tap action to enter annotation mode... I keep 1 finger tap for overlay and 2 fingers for tool switching... You told me there would be no need to enter edit mode anymore and that's great, so maybe a new action to toggle double sizing on and off would be great, and assigned to that newly freed up action slot? I don't notice a big shutdown when i change single to dual page either, even with loading whole setlist on, so i still think that would be an easier trick to acheive with a touch or pedal action instead of a pre-defined zoom burst that would require also to hover to the right place etc... What i like also with the single full widht page is that it could stay like that for as long as we are rehearsing a spot without having to do anything than writing... But if you still think that's not a good idea, we could at least find a practical way to trigger a 150-200% zoom (i suggested that some time ago, a zooming tool that we could set to any %!)
And i don't really mind to press once just to turn a page, as long as there is as much as possible actions with a pedal (remember i have to hold a double bass while standing about 3 feet from my stand that's also 4 feet up, so just one free hand to do everything!)
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#18
Just had an idea: for now, before the annotation rework, would it be possible to have a setting when entering annotation mode to choose full width view?
Since the annotation mode is indepedent from the normal viewing mode setting (always single page), it would be nice to be able to resize at that point...
Then by exiting the annotation mode (by saving/cancel or choosen gesture in pedal/touch settings) it would go back to normal dual-page view?
By choosing ''annotate song'' in touch-pedal settings, I could reach what I am looking for!
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#19
I can consider it, but it depends on the level of effort. If I add some kind of setting to control how the page is scaled by default in the annotations editor (maybe just a simple "Fit width" setting in the circle at the top left), and it just works without any additional changes, then I could slip it in an update. If it seems to introduce additional bugs that could cause instability, I don't want to invest a lot of time in something that's going to be thrown away soon, as it would just push the schedule further out. I'll also just have to use Google Translate or something for that setting as I don't want to have to reach out to all 13 translators just for that one entry.  Adding to Windows means I should probably add it to Android as well to avoid confusion. If this is going to give you something that would significantly improve the annotations functionality for you and make it easier to wait for the annotations rework to be finished, then I'll certainly do what I can to add it.

As far as changing the display mode, I can look into adding a way to switch display modes with a pedal, but it's not going to be simple, because technically it should allow toggling between any two display modes. That means there needs to be some way of entering which two display modes you want to toggle between. That sounds to me like a completely new UI component or would require the addition of a different workflow such as popping up a dialog to ask which display mode to switch to. It would then save that mode and the one that was switched from, and allowing toggling between the two. There would have to be a way to clear this though if you wanted to switch modes later, but I don't know how that would be done with a single pedal press (in a manner that doesn't require additional custom code in the framework).

Thanks,
Mike
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#20
Oh yeah, a FIT WIDTH option in the annotation editor would be very much appreciated!
And as it is now, the view mode in the annotation editor mode is always single page even if set otherwise in the view options dialog box, and requires to manually zoom-in/handgrab in order to reach the far bottom of a page for some reason (the top header, like in overlay mode), so if the view options could include a checkbox to apply the settings in the annotation editor that could be very an alternate way to address that?

About the touch/pedal display mode switching, would it be easier if it was a ''cycling thru modes'' instead of a pre-assigned mode choice?
Anyways, if there is a way to acheive FIT WIDTH somehow with the display mode options box, or a simple checkbox in the annotation editor, there will be no need to switch display modes with a pedal!
Also I can always use the action ''annotate song'' to enter/exit that mode with a touch/pedal right?

Thanks Mike, this will be a very appreciated feature for those like me who often need to add a breath between two notes in a sixteenth note passage, or to introduce a fingering or bowing into crowded old style music printing full of continuo figured bass numbers !

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